You don't need to show that scene again, as the whole sequence requires no re-interpretation.
I like that take on the underpants scene. Maybe I'd better not go into this before I've looked at more than a few dozen JP/SS dj, but I got the impression that djka made very little mention of the few canon interactions between these two. Is this common in dojinshi? Barely referencing canon scenes at all, or not showing re-interpretations of canon scenes, because it's believed that the canon scene has already established what happened? That could be taken either as "It was perfectly logical seme behaviour so we don't have anything to add to it" or "We're glossing over that bit".
It hadn't occurred to me to interpret the canon scene as just a seme being nasty, but it really is reminiscent of some of the more spectacularly vicious stunts some seme pull on their poor uke. Damn, I've been reading too much fic and not enough manga these last few years. (On an irrational level, I do hate James rather much like I've disliked a whole host of cold-blooded seme over the years ;) My first yaoi series was Zetsuai, and I've never despised any character as much as Koji.) The only problem I can see with it is that in most dojinshi, James doesn't act cold towards Snape at all, but rather like the 'wanko-zeme' as described in the link. But maybe being a kichiku-zeme in the original doesn't mean he can't be reincarnated quite smoothly as a different kind of seme in a dj.
mithen mentioned the possibility that since acting like a bully in school isn't considered quite that aberrant in Japan, James' actions might not have seemed that horrible/unforgivable. A combination of this sentiment and the kichiku-zeme trope, and voilà, instant James-doesn't-really-hate-Snape?
Dojinshi aren't a reflection of the real world in any way, of course, and neither are fics, but I really do get the idea (in this very limited test) that fic writers were interpreting the scene in way that's far more 'realistic' -trying to fit it into the 'real world' of canon and the real-life concept of bullying- while djka felt more comfortable drifting away from the vaguely realistic interpersonal relationships in canon. Stripping someone naked in front of the whole school in real life wouldn't be interpreted as a legitimate way to express romantic interest anywhere. Whatever the reason why, djka do seem inclined to divorce their universe from reality in a far more drastic fashion than fic writers. (But now I'm dabbling in that lovely question of 'how realistic is the canon', so I'll back off and go to bed before my head explodes.)
(By the way, I'm going to be looking at text-only Japanese fanwork as well later, but not as in-depth as dojinshi -more to check whether these fic narratives are significantly different from dj narratives. I might change my mind about that as I learn more about Japanese fics.)
I wish I could help you more, but this is about all I have energy for at the moment. Wishing you the best of luck in your research!
Tired too, I do hope I made some sense here :) Thank you very, very much! (Your journal looks interesting, by the way. May I friend?)
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
momijizukamori
no subject
Date: 2009-02-08 11:19 pm (UTC)You don't need to show that scene again, as the whole sequence requires no re-interpretation.
I like that take on the underpants scene. Maybe I'd better not go into this before I've looked at more than a few dozen JP/SS dj, but I got the impression that djka made very little mention of the few canon interactions between these two. Is this common in dojinshi? Barely referencing canon scenes at all, or not showing re-interpretations of canon scenes, because it's believed that the canon scene has already established what happened? That could be taken either as "It was perfectly logical seme behaviour so we don't have anything to add to it" or "We're glossing over that bit".
It hadn't occurred to me to interpret the canon scene as just a seme being nasty, but it really is reminiscent of some of the more spectacularly vicious stunts some seme pull on their poor uke. Damn, I've been reading too much fic and not enough manga these last few years. (On an irrational level, I do hate James rather much like I've disliked a whole host of cold-blooded seme over the years ;) My first yaoi series was Zetsuai, and I've never despised any character as much as Koji.) The only problem I can see with it is that in most dojinshi, James doesn't act cold towards Snape at all, but rather like the 'wanko-zeme' as described in the link. But maybe being a kichiku-zeme in the original doesn't mean he can't be reincarnated quite smoothly as a different kind of seme in a dj.
Dojinshi aren't a reflection of the real world in any way, of course, and neither are fics, but I really do get the idea (in this very limited test) that fic writers were interpreting the scene in way that's far more 'realistic' -trying to fit it into the 'real world' of canon and the real-life concept of bullying- while djka felt more comfortable drifting away from the vaguely realistic interpersonal relationships in canon. Stripping someone naked in front of the whole school in real life wouldn't be interpreted as a legitimate way to express romantic interest anywhere. Whatever the reason why, djka do seem inclined to divorce their universe from reality in a far more drastic fashion than fic writers. (But now I'm dabbling in that lovely question of 'how realistic is the canon', so I'll back off and go to bed before my head explodes.)
(By the way, I'm going to be looking at text-only Japanese fanwork as well later, but not as in-depth as dojinshi -more to check whether these fic narratives are significantly different from dj narratives. I might change my mind about that as I learn more about Japanese fics.)
I wish I could help you more, but this is about all I have energy for at the moment. Wishing you the best of luck in your research!
Tired too, I do hope I made some sense here :) Thank you very, very much! (Your journal looks interesting, by the way. May I friend?)